Sept. 30, 2021

Joe Meanen


In 1988 Joe Meanen was a young scaffolder working on the Piper Alpha oil rig, on the night it exploded. It was situated off Aberdeen, Scotland and was home to more than 200 men at a time. One calm Summer's night a gas leak caused a huge explosion that saw a fireball rip through the platform, killing 167 men. It was the world’s deadliest oil rig disaster. 61 workers survived, many with severe burns and life changing injuries. Joe was one of the lucky ones and recalls jumping more than 170 feet into the burning waves to save his life, but that was just the start of his journey to safety.

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Transcript

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Hi, I'm Kaija Larke and this

 

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is What Doesn't Kill Us.

 

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In 1988, the sea of Aberdeen

 

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in Scotland caught fire, a gas

 

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leak on the Piper Alpha oil rig

 

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caused a huge explosion that

 

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saw a fireball rip through the

 

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platform, killing 167 men in the

 

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world's deadliest oil rig disaster.

 

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61 workers survived.

 

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Many of them with severe burns

 

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and life-changing injuries.

 

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Joe Meanen was one of the lucky ones.

 

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He joins me to recall that

 

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awful day and how he survived

 

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more than 30 years ago.

 

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Well, Joe, thank you so much for

 

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joining me on the podcast, I really

 

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appreciate you taking the time

 

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to talk about your story today.

 

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You're welcome.

 

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Now let's get into your life

 

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on the oil rigs a little bit

 

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before the Piper Alpha disaster.

 

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You were quite young when

 

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you started working on

 

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the rigs, weren't you?

 

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What were you exactly

 

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doing at the time?

 

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And what drew you to that

 

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particular lifestyle?

 

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Yeah, well, many years ago, I'd

 

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kind of moved away from home

 

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and lived in Jersey for a couple

 

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of years, just doing odd jobs.

 

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And in between that time,

 

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my parents had moved up

 

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to close to Aberdeen.

 

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And my dad started working up in

 

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the Shetland islands when they were

 

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building Sullom Voe oil terminal.

 

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And once when I was coming

 

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back from Jersey, I had an

 

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accident playing football.

 

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So I'd lost my job there.

 

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And a friend told us he could

 

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get me a job up in Sullom Voe oil

 

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terminal as a trainee scaffolder.

 

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So I started up there at 20

 

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to learn my scaffolding trade.

 

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And once the completion of

 

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the oil terminal in 1981, and

 

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the jobs are finished there,

 

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I started working off shore

 

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as a scaffolder off shore.

 

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What was life like on the  oil rigs

 

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in those early days of your career?

 

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Because it's weeks away from

 

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home at a time, isn't it?

 

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And then a few weeks back

 

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and it's quite a different

 

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lifestyle to how many of us

 

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live in our early twenties.

 

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Yeah, that's correct.

 

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Away for two weeks at a time,

 

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two weeks on, two weeks off.

 

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And you know, maybe I've heard

 

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people speaking about rigs and

 

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platforms and that, you know, but

 

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nothing really prepares you until

 

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you get on that chopper and go

 

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way out yourself and experience

 

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it for the first time yourself.

 

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Yeah it's a real eye-opener.

 

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And just describe for me, what

 

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is it like that first time?

 

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I mean, even, I imagine just being

 

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on that helicopter for the first

 

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time must be quite exciting and

 

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quite a little bit of adrenaline,

 

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but as you're flying out over

 

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the sea, you actually get

 

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that first real glimpse of this

 

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huge platform out in the sea.

 

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What's that like, can

 

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you remember that?

 

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Can you describe that for me?

 

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Yeah, just I sometimes, you'll

 

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maybe, you know, you were flying

 

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out, I can't exactly remember

 

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the first time, but whether we,

 

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sometimes you'd stop at another

 

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platform to let some other workers

 

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off or whatever, you know, that

 

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we're joining that platform.

 

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And yes, it's quite an amazing

 

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sight to see and how, you know, the

 

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engineering on them and how they've

 

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managed to get these structures

 

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out in the middle of the North Sea.

 

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It's a real eye-opener

 

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and yeah, it's amazing.

 

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An amazing experience,

 

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quite scary also.

 

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And if you're a bit green or

 

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a green hand, you just, yeah,

 

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you're just kinda following on and

 

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hoping somebody takes you under

 

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their wing and looks after you.

 

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And if I can just take you

 

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to July 1988 now, it wasn't

 

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your first time on the Piper

 

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Alpha platform, was it?

 

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Back in that summer?

 

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No I started in March of

 

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that year, early March.

 

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So when July came round, that was

 

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my fifth trip on Piper Alpha so

 

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yeah, I wasn't brand new on there.

 

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Now the night of the Piper

 

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Alpha disaster, it was

 

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a calm, summer's night.

 

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When did you realise initially that

 

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something had gone badly wrong,

 

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that something was going wrong?

 

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Well, it wasn't...

 

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it was very, very busy.

 

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At the time we were having

 

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what they call a shutdown,

 

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but it was only really a

 

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partial shutdown of Piper.

 

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On that particular night, it's

 

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July, it's quite calm at sea.

 

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And you weren't actually working at

 

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that particular moment, were you?

 

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What were you doing before

 

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you realised that something

 

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was actually going wrong?

 

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Yeah.

 

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Well, on that day, like you say,

 

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it was a beautiful summer's night.

 

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You often get that offshore

 

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in the middle of summer.

 

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The sea was almost

 

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flat-calm that day.

 

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We'd worked a 15 hour shift.

 

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We were coming to the end

 

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of a two week rotation.

 

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We only had one more shift to

 

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do on the Thursday and we'd have

 

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been travelling on the Friday.

 

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We knew it was a Caddyshack

 

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on the movies that night

 

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just after nine o'clock.

 

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So we decided right,  there

 

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was a few of us went up there,

 

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guys that had worked together.

 

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So we headed up to the movie at

 

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the cinema just at nine o'clock.

 

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We'd just finished

 

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work at 9 o'clock.

 

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So, quick change into our casual

 

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clothes and up to the cinema.

 

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And you're just sat there,

 

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sort of relaxing, watching

 

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this 80s comedy, chilling out

 

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with your work mates completely

 

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oblivious, really weren't you?

 

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To what was then going on

 

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elsewhere on the platform?

 

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Yeah, kind of we'd finished our

 

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shift, and were watching a movie.

 

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We'd switched off, you know, just

 

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relaxing and about 40, 45 minutes

 

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or so into the movie, we were

 

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sitting there in the cinema and

 

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it was really quite busy because

 

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it was quite a popular movie.

 

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And there was these and

 

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really high pitched sounds

 

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coming from outside like a jet

 

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engine, really revving up hard.

 

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There was a silence

 

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come over the cinema.

 

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And all the guys kinda looked to

 

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each other and were saying - this

 

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doesn't sound particularly good,

 

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but then it just subsided again.

 

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But then about three or four

 

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minutes later, it started up

 

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again, even more intense and

 

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same again, a silence came over

 

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the cinema, but all of a sudden

 

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there was a huge explosion.

 

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And part of the roof of the

 

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cinema caved in, suspended

 

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ceilings and that, but some

 

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of the lights came down.

 

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There was a initial panic

 

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because the whole platform

 

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rocked back and forwards.

 

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It was like being inside a big

 

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drum or something like that

 

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It must've been

 

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absolutely terrifying!

 

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Yeah.

 

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It was a shock to a lot of people

 

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and like I say, there was an

 

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initial panic and then, because

 

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there was only really, kind

 

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of, one entrance in and out.

 

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Then we got, right guys, calm down, you know, and

 

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let's get out in an orderly...

 

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and we started moving

 

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out of the cinema and to

 

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the accommodation area.

 

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But there'd been no alarms

 

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had went off at all.

 

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No tannoys to let people

 

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know what was happening.

 

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Unbeknownst to us, the initial

 

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explosion totally destroyed

 

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the control room and that was

 

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kind of where everything would

 

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have been organised from,

 

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the alarms and such like.

 

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The control room was totally

 

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destroyed in the initial explosion.

 

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So there was no, with that

 

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destroyed in the initial explosion.

 

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control room down, there was no

 

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way of centrally communicating

 

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with all of you on the

 

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platform then, at that point?

 

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That's right.

 

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And our first initial thoughts

 

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was to head to our lifeboats

 

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and through the accommodation.

 

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Because normally once a week you

 

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would get a lifeboat drill and

 

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you'd go to your lifeboats and your

 

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manifest would get ticked off and

 

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everybody would be accounted for.

 

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But it soon became quite evident

 

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with the huge thick black oil

 

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smoke that there was no chance

 

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of getting to the lifeboats.

 

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Because the lifeboats were

 

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all at the Northern end

 

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of the platform, which was

 

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towards the accommodation end.

 

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You just went to, over the west

 

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side of the platform there was guys

 

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coming back from there saying, no

 

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chance to get to the lifeboats,

 

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across to the east side of the

 

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platform, no, it's the same there,

 

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no chance to get to the lifeboats.

 

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00:09:36,145 --> 00:09:37,027

It's too bad.

 

260

00:09:37,027 --> 00:09:38,749

So where was this cinema?

 

261

00:09:38,749 --> 00:09:39,924

I mean, you're kind of referring

 

262

00:09:39,924 --> 00:09:41,646

to the Northeast, west.

 

263

00:09:41,646 --> 00:09:43,199

Where was the cinema?

 

264

00:09:43,199 --> 00:09:44,753

The cinema was more over to

 

265

00:09:44,753 --> 00:09:48,070

the east side of the platform.

 

266

00:09:48,070 --> 00:09:51,555

And there was a short corridor

 

267

00:09:51,555 --> 00:09:54,873

into the accommodation.

 

268

00:09:54,873 --> 00:09:57,056

When you actually clambered

 

269

00:09:57,056 --> 00:09:58,946

through this ceiling coming down

 

270

00:09:58,946 --> 00:10:01,045

and this debris and you actually

 

271

00:10:01,045 --> 00:10:02,221

get outside of that cinema

 

272

00:10:02,221 --> 00:10:04,446

initially, what can you see?

 

273

00:10:04,446 --> 00:10:05,454

I mean, can you see anything?

 

274

00:10:05,454 --> 00:10:06,588

Is the air just full

 

275

00:10:06,588 --> 00:10:07,470

of thick black smoke?

 

276

00:10:07,470 --> 00:10:09,443

I mean, what were your

 

277

00:10:09,443 --> 00:10:10,913

visuals once you got out?

 

278

00:10:10,913 --> 00:10:12,467

Couldn't really see much

 

279

00:10:12,467 --> 00:10:14,104

because we just tried working

 

280

00:10:14,104 --> 00:10:17,211

on, just through instinct.

 

281

00:10:17,211 --> 00:10:18,429

We went to try and get

 

282

00:10:18,429 --> 00:10:19,563

to the lifeboats first.

 

283

00:10:19,563 --> 00:10:23,552

But yeah, I never really got

 

284

00:10:23,552 --> 00:10:25,357

outside at all at that point.

 

285

00:10:25,357 --> 00:10:29,347

And then after, you know,

 

286

00:10:29,347 --> 00:10:31,236

finding out that we couldn't

 

287

00:10:31,236 --> 00:10:33,168

get to the lifeboats...

 

288

00:10:33,168 --> 00:10:34,259

when you done your offshore

 

289

00:10:34,259 --> 00:10:37,157

training, you're always told, your

 

290

00:10:37,157 --> 00:10:39,466

first method of evacuation from the

 

291

00:10:39,466 --> 00:10:43,119

platform would be by helicopter.

 

292

00:10:43,119 --> 00:10:44,799

So we just kind of elevated

 

293

00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:47,024

up, I got separated from the

 

294

00:10:47,024 --> 00:10:48,620

guys I was with in the cinema,

 

295

00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:50,761

my workmates and everything.

 

296

00:10:50,761 --> 00:10:53,365

And just kind of seemed to elevate

 

297

00:10:53,365 --> 00:10:57,648

up to the galley area, which

 

298

00:10:57,648 --> 00:11:00,797

was just below the Heli deck.

 

299

00:11:00,797 --> 00:11:01,805

So you're just sort of thinking if

 

300

00:11:01,805 --> 00:11:02,981

there's any helicopters going to

 

301

00:11:02,981 --> 00:11:04,198

come in, I'm going to get myself

 

302

00:11:04,198 --> 00:11:06,298

up there near the helipad so that

 

303

00:11:06,298 --> 00:11:08,733

I can get the hell out of here.

 

304

00:11:08,733 --> 00:11:10,917

Yeah, and that was supposed to be

 

305

00:11:10,917 --> 00:11:15,746

a secure airtight location also.

 

306

00:11:15,746 --> 00:11:17,047

But once I got up

 

307

00:11:17,047 --> 00:11:19,903

there and kind of...

 

308

00:11:19,903 --> 00:11:21,120

When I got  up there, there must've

 

309

00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,632

been about a hundred men up in

 

310

00:11:22,632 --> 00:11:27,293

the cinema and yeah, there was an

 

311

00:11:27,293 --> 00:11:29,980

eerie silence there in the cinema.

 

312

00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:30,568

There wasn't much

 

313

00:11:30,568 --> 00:11:31,702

getting said at all.

 

314

00:11:32,038 --> 00:11:33,297

And just to give some context,

 

315

00:11:33,297 --> 00:11:35,481

you're saying there's a hundred

 

316

00:11:35,481 --> 00:11:37,874

men up there, and there was

 

317

00:11:37,874 --> 00:11:40,814

226 of you on the platform

 

318

00:11:40,814 --> 00:11:42,157

on that day, wasn't it?

 

319

00:11:42,157 --> 00:11:43,711

So there's about half

 

320

00:11:43,711 --> 00:11:45,349

of you at this point?

 

321

00:11:45,349 --> 00:11:48,204

Yeah.

 

322

00:11:48,204 --> 00:11:50,555

Some, I think there was about

 

323

00:11:50,555 --> 00:11:53,117

60 men working night shift that

 

324

00:11:53,117 --> 00:11:56,098

night, 60 to 70 men working,

 

325

00:11:56,098 --> 00:11:59,625

because the platform ran 24 hours.

 

326

00:11:59,625 --> 00:12:04,118

So yeah, and divers were all

 

327

00:12:04,118 --> 00:12:05,462

working that night as well.

 

328

00:12:05,462 --> 00:12:07,561

So you got yourself up to

 

329

00:12:07,561 --> 00:12:10,207

just below the Heli deck

 

330

00:12:10,207 --> 00:12:11,676

and what's the space there?

 

331

00:12:11,676 --> 00:12:12,432

Where have you got

 

332

00:12:12,432 --> 00:12:13,566

yourself to at this point?

 

333

00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,245

Really into the sitting

 

334

00:12:15,245 --> 00:12:19,486

area of the galley.

 

335

00:12:19,486 --> 00:12:20,662

There was seating there

 

336

00:12:20,662 --> 00:12:22,006

for about 84, you know.

 

337

00:12:22,006 --> 00:12:24,147

It would go, you'd get your

 

338

00:12:24,147 --> 00:12:26,247

timeslot to go into the galley

 

339

00:12:26,247 --> 00:12:29,648

so there was always, you

 

340

00:12:29,648 --> 00:12:31,076

know, room for people in a

 

341

00:12:31,076 --> 00:12:35,527

rotation coming in and out.

 

342

00:12:35,527 --> 00:12:36,912

As I say, there must've

 

343

00:12:36,912 --> 00:12:38,004

been about a hundred, maybe

 

344

00:12:38,004 --> 00:12:40,775

just over a hundred men.

 

345

00:12:40,775 --> 00:12:42,959

But there was not much

 

346

00:12:42,959 --> 00:12:44,303

getting said, you know,

 

347

00:12:44,303 --> 00:12:46,990

it was pretty quiet.

 

348

00:12:46,990 --> 00:12:49,803

The OIM and the Safety

 

349

00:12:49,803 --> 00:12:51,483

Officer was there.

 

350

00:12:51,483 --> 00:12:53,666

Somebody asked them what was

 

351

00:12:53,666 --> 00:12:57,571

happening, what we're going to do?

 

352

00:12:57,571 --> 00:12:59,209

They said there'd been a

 

353

00:12:59,209 --> 00:13:05,046

mayday sent out from the radio

 

354

00:13:05,046 --> 00:13:08,867

room by the radio operator.

 

355

00:13:08,867 --> 00:13:10,378

And he said there would be

 

356

00:13:10,378 --> 00:13:13,276

helicopters on their way to

 

357

00:13:13,276 --> 00:13:16,803

pick us up, and just to stay

 

358

00:13:16,803 --> 00:13:19,448

fast in the galley  area.

 

359

00:13:19,448 --> 00:13:21,296

And the OIM, what's that role?

 

360

00:13:21,296 --> 00:13:24,487

Offshore Installation Manager.

 

361

00:13:24,487 --> 00:13:24,823

Okay.

 

362

00:13:24,823 --> 00:13:27,720

So the guy in charge, the one

 

363

00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:28,686

you're going to look up to, in the

 

364

00:13:28,686 --> 00:13:30,450

lack of any tannoys coming out or

 

365

00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:32,045

anything like that, this is the guy

 

366

00:13:32,045 --> 00:13:33,935

who's sort of in command basically?

 

367

00:13:33,935 --> 00:13:35,782

Yes, like the captain of a ship.

 

368

00:13:35,782 --> 00:13:38,470

At that point we could

 

369

00:13:38,470 --> 00:13:40,317

hear other small explosions

 

370

00:13:40,317 --> 00:13:44,390

happening outside, and

 

371

00:13:44,390 --> 00:13:46,364

emergency lighting had went off.

 

372

00:13:46,364 --> 00:13:48,295

But you could also hear like,

 

373

00:13:48,295 --> 00:13:50,983

you know, the structures are

 

374

00:13:50,983 --> 00:13:54,636

groaning like bending metal.

 

375

00:13:54,636 --> 00:13:57,113

And not realizing at the time,

 

376

00:13:57,113 --> 00:13:58,541

but I think that already at

 

377

00:13:58,541 --> 00:14:01,858

that point the structure, the

 

378

00:14:01,858 --> 00:14:03,622

platform was being compromised.

 

379

00:14:03,622 --> 00:14:04,546

You know, it was starting

 

380

00:14:04,546 --> 00:14:06,183

to give way and melt,

 

381

00:14:06,183 --> 00:14:08,325

you know, and we can...

 

382

00:14:08,325 --> 00:14:11,600

we didn't realise that,

 

383

00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,196

but then the smoke was

 

384

00:14:13,196 --> 00:14:15,127

getting more intense also.

 

385

00:14:15,127 --> 00:14:17,017

So you could hear windows

 

386

00:14:17,017 --> 00:14:19,074

breaking and stuff like that.

 

387

00:14:19,074 --> 00:14:19,956

The emergency

 

388

00:14:19,956 --> 00:14:22,685

lighting had gone off.

 

389

00:14:22,685 --> 00:14:25,499

Also the guys that are there

 

390

00:14:25,499 --> 00:14:27,052

says to me, they were all

 

391

00:14:27,052 --> 00:14:28,354

sitting with wet towels

 

392

00:14:28,354 --> 00:14:30,663

over their mouths and noses.

 

393

00:14:30,663 --> 00:14:32,595

And he says to me, Joe, go

 

394

00:14:32,595 --> 00:14:33,771

up, there's towels up there,

 

395

00:14:33,771 --> 00:14:35,912

go and get one and soak it.

 

396

00:14:35,912 --> 00:14:37,760

But when I went up, and there are

 

397

00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,825

big industrial sinks, and I turned

 

398

00:14:40,825 --> 00:14:43,554

the tap on, there was no water.

 

399

00:14:43,554 --> 00:14:44,940

And then I started realising

 

400

00:14:44,940 --> 00:14:47,921

there was no power on the

 

401

00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:50,987

platform, and there was nothing.

 

402

00:14:50,987 --> 00:14:52,120

There should be a deluge

 

403

00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,220

system working on a platform

 

404

00:14:54,220 --> 00:14:56,571

to, you know, to dampen

 

405

00:14:56,571 --> 00:14:59,637

down these fires and that.

 

406

00:14:59,637 --> 00:15:02,912

And if there's no water,

 

407

00:15:02,912 --> 00:15:03,374

there's no power...

 

408

00:15:03,374 --> 00:15:04,549

At this point, the electricity

 

409

00:15:04,549 --> 00:15:05,725

is out, the lights have gone out.

 

410

00:15:05,725 --> 00:15:06,607

There's no water.

 

411

00:15:06,607 --> 00:15:08,412

I mean this...

 

412

00:15:08,412 --> 00:15:10,428

what were you thinking

 

413

00:15:10,428 --> 00:15:11,142

at this point?

 

414

00:15:11,142 --> 00:15:14,585

I mean, you know, listening to you

 

415

00:15:14,585 --> 00:15:16,265

describe it, it's like something

 

416

00:15:16,265 --> 00:15:18,868

out of a disaster movie, isn't it?

 

417

00:15:18,868 --> 00:15:21,765

It's just, it's hard to

 

418

00:15:21,765 --> 00:15:24,453

imagine the fear you must've

 

419

00:15:24,453 --> 00:15:26,258

been feeling and the noises

 

420

00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:27,434

and the sounds and the smells

 

421

00:15:27,434 --> 00:15:30,499

that were going on around you.

 

422

00:15:30,499 --> 00:15:33,313

Yeah, I mean, that's correct

 

423

00:15:33,313 --> 00:15:36,042

and I think it was slowly

 

424

00:15:36,042 --> 00:15:38,771

sinking into me, my realisation

 

425

00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:40,157

that,  you know, we're in a

 

426

00:15:40,157 --> 00:15:43,600

really bad situation here.

 

427

00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,364

I don't know if it was my

 

428

00:15:45,364 --> 00:15:47,883

reaction beforehand was just

 

429

00:15:47,883 --> 00:15:51,452

you know, kidding on myself

 

430

00:15:51,452 --> 00:15:52,880

that it wasn't, you know,

 

431

00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,021

this wasn't really happening

 

432

00:15:55,021 --> 00:15:57,373

you know but it took a wee...

 

433

00:15:57,373 --> 00:15:59,850

and this is only maybe 10 minutes

 

434

00:15:59,850 --> 00:16:01,278

after the initial explosion

 

435

00:16:01,278 --> 00:16:03,000

so it was not a lot of time

 

436

00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,981

to think and that either.

 

437

00:16:05,981 --> 00:16:07,828

But at that point, like I say,

 

438

00:16:07,828 --> 00:16:09,424

the smoke was getting worse.

 

439

00:16:09,424 --> 00:16:11,650

One of the things with

 

440

00:16:11,650 --> 00:16:13,245

smoke inhalation is you

 

441

00:16:13,245 --> 00:16:16,394

don't realise how much smoke

 

442

00:16:16,394 --> 00:16:17,822

you are breathing in so...

 

443

00:16:17,822 --> 00:16:20,299

but at that point I'd say there

 

444

00:16:20,299 --> 00:16:22,441

was 20 of us there and we say,

 

445

00:16:22,441 --> 00:16:24,456

look, we're sitting here and

 

446

00:16:24,456 --> 00:16:26,136

if anything else happens on the

 

447

00:16:26,136 --> 00:16:29,747

platform, we're not in a position,

 

448

00:16:29,747 --> 00:16:31,343

if we're inside like this to be

 

449

00:16:31,343 --> 00:16:33,904

able to do anything for ourselves.

 

450

00:16:33,904 --> 00:16:35,878

Why don't we go up onto the

 

451

00:16:35,878 --> 00:16:37,221

Heli deck and maybe, we'll

 

452

00:16:37,221 --> 00:16:38,817

be able to see for ourselves

 

453

00:16:38,817 --> 00:16:41,127

more, if there is anything else

 

454

00:16:41,127 --> 00:16:42,386

that happens, we'll be able

 

455

00:16:42,386 --> 00:16:43,982

to do something for ourselves.

 

456

00:16:43,982 --> 00:16:47,719

So at that point kind of,

 

457

00:16:47,719 --> 00:16:50,952

we agreed, right, we'll go.

 

458

00:16:50,952 --> 00:16:53,052

So at that point we got up as far

 

459

00:16:53,052 --> 00:16:54,941

as we could up onto the Heli deck

 

460

00:16:54,941 --> 00:16:58,678

and there was a converted container

 

461

00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,820

there which was the radio room.

 

462

00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:03,885

And it was also the Heli

 

463

00:17:03,885 --> 00:17:05,523

deck landing officer's...

 

464

00:17:05,523 --> 00:17:08,000

he had an office up there.

 

465

00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,142

So we climbed up on top of there,

 

466

00:17:10,142 --> 00:17:11,317

and that was as high as we could

 

467

00:17:11,317 --> 00:17:14,047

get, that area of the platform.

 

468

00:17:14,047 --> 00:17:15,432

And as soon as we got outside,

 

469

00:17:15,432 --> 00:17:17,574

we realised how bad, it was the

 

470

00:17:17,574 --> 00:17:22,109

first time we could get a bigger

 

471

00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:24,628

picture of what was happening and

 

472

00:17:24,628 --> 00:17:27,358

how really bad the situation was.

 

473

00:17:27,358 --> 00:17:28,491

What did you see at that point,

 

474

00:17:28,491 --> 00:17:31,095

once you actually got up there?

 

475

00:17:31,095 --> 00:17:34,874

We could see lots of burning areas

 

476

00:17:34,874 --> 00:17:36,385

down on the pipe deck, which was

 

477

00:17:36,385 --> 00:17:38,401

kind of behind, just to the south

 

478

00:17:38,401 --> 00:17:41,802

of us, really this thick, black,

 

479

00:17:41,802 --> 00:17:45,497

acrid, oil fired smoke you know?

 

480

00:17:45,539 --> 00:17:48,437

Which is really, really bad.

 

481

00:17:48,437 --> 00:17:51,166

And then when we got up as

 

482

00:17:51,166 --> 00:17:53,391

high as we could, we were quite

 

483

00:17:53,391 --> 00:17:56,037

fortunate as the smoke was coming

 

484

00:17:56,037 --> 00:17:57,380

from underneath the platform

 

485

00:17:57,380 --> 00:17:58,472

and kind of going up round the

 

486

00:17:58,472 --> 00:18:00,782

sides, but it was spreading in

 

487

00:18:00,782 --> 00:18:01,999

towards us as well, but it was

 

488

00:18:01,999 --> 00:18:04,645

kind of coming across in layers.

 

489

00:18:04,645 --> 00:18:05,904

And we were all up on top

 

490

00:18:05,904 --> 00:18:07,752

of this converted container.

 

491

00:18:07,752 --> 00:18:09,222

And we could see when

 

492

00:18:09,222 --> 00:18:11,153

there was a gap coming and

 

493

00:18:11,153 --> 00:18:12,749

between the layers of smoke.

 

494

00:18:12,749 --> 00:18:14,428

So we'd get up and catch

 

495

00:18:14,428 --> 00:18:17,494

some breaths of fresh air.

 

496

00:18:17,494 --> 00:18:20,307

Also the Tharos, which was

 

497

00:18:20,307 --> 00:18:22,575

a firefighting vessel, an

 

498

00:18:22,575 --> 00:18:24,506

accommodation vessel and it

 

499

00:18:24,506 --> 00:18:28,369

had a small hospital on it

 

500

00:18:28,369 --> 00:18:30,133

as well, it was alongside

 

501

00:18:30,133 --> 00:18:32,484

for extra accommodation for

 

502

00:18:32,484 --> 00:18:34,248

when the shutdown was on.

 

503

00:18:34,248 --> 00:18:36,011

And they had a water cannon on the

 

504

00:18:36,011 --> 00:18:39,664

top of one of their crane jibs and

 

505

00:18:39,664 --> 00:18:42,520

that was fanning back and forward.

 

506

00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,157

And that was actually, we

 

507

00:18:44,157 --> 00:18:45,795

were, we were catching the

 

508

00:18:45,795 --> 00:18:49,700

water from this water cannon.

 

509

00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:51,338

And that made a big

 

510

00:18:51,338 --> 00:18:52,429

difference to us.

 

511

00:18:52,429 --> 00:18:55,159

Once the riser from the Tartan

 

512

00:18:55,159 --> 00:18:58,728

fractured, like 30,000 tons per

 

513

00:18:58,728 --> 00:19:02,255

second of gas that was ignited.

 

514

00:19:02,255 --> 00:19:05,026

So how did you escape?

 

515

00:19:05,026 --> 00:19:08,806

Yeah, well, after the riser

 

516

00:19:08,806 --> 00:19:12,207

from the Tartan fractured,

 

517

00:19:12,207 --> 00:19:15,104

you didn't really know what

 

518

00:19:15,104 --> 00:19:16,406

exactly what had happened,

 

519

00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:18,883

but you just knew something

 

520

00:19:18,883 --> 00:19:20,689

horrific had happened you know?

 

521

00:19:20,689 --> 00:19:24,678

So I actually, at that point,

 

522

00:19:24,678 --> 00:19:27,491

there was maybe 12 or 14 of

 

523

00:19:27,491 --> 00:19:29,885

us, everybody just disappeared.

 

524

00:19:29,885 --> 00:19:31,228

And I didn't know

 

525

00:19:31,228 --> 00:19:32,740

where everybody went.

 

526

00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:36,645

And then I ran across to this

 

527

00:19:36,645 --> 00:19:38,577

radio mast, which was at the side

 

528

00:19:38,577 --> 00:19:41,852

of one of the emergency heli deck.

 

529

00:19:41,852 --> 00:19:42,985

And it must've been panic

 

530

00:19:42,985 --> 00:19:44,371

because I got onto that

 

531

00:19:44,371 --> 00:19:45,967

and I started claiming up.

 

532

00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:48,486

At that point I realised, Oh I'm

 

533

00:19:48,486 --> 00:19:51,048

doing the wrong thing because the

 

534

00:19:51,048 --> 00:19:53,105

higher I was getting up, the more

 

535

00:19:53,105 --> 00:19:54,827

intense the heat was getting.

 

536

00:19:54,827 --> 00:19:57,724

And then I kind of almost slipped

 

537

00:19:57,724 --> 00:19:59,823

and then, at that point, I

 

538

00:19:59,823 --> 00:20:02,511

thought, I just said to myself,

 

539

00:20:02,511 --> 00:20:05,450

well that's me, I'm dead here.

 

540

00:20:05,450 --> 00:20:08,138

For some unknown, I can't

 

541

00:20:08,138 --> 00:20:09,985

really explain it, something

 

542

00:20:09,985 --> 00:20:11,455

took over what I was doing.

 

543

00:20:11,455 --> 00:20:13,176

I don't know whether it was the

 

544

00:20:13,176 --> 00:20:16,200

will to survive or some sense

 

545

00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,459

of a higher being, but I just

 

546

00:20:17,459 --> 00:20:22,162

come down, down that radio mast

 

547

00:20:22,162 --> 00:20:24,724

to the deck below the heli deck,

 

548

00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:27,747

ran along to the access stairs

 

549

00:20:27,747 --> 00:20:28,797

that would take you up onto the

 

550

00:20:28,797 --> 00:20:31,736

heli deck, ran across the north

 

551

00:20:31,736 --> 00:20:33,835

side of the platform, could see

 

552

00:20:33,835 --> 00:20:36,103

the water, because the explosion

 

553

00:20:36,103 --> 00:20:38,370

had cleared all the smoke away.

 

554

00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:41,940

I had a life jacket on by

 

555

00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:43,367

this time, took the lifejacket

 

556

00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,173

off, threw it in front of

 

557

00:20:45,173 --> 00:20:48,070

me, took a few steps back.

 

558

00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:50,254

And although I knew, I knew

 

559

00:20:50,254 --> 00:20:52,563

exactly what I was doing, it

 

560

00:20:52,563 --> 00:20:54,746

was as if something else was

 

561

00:20:54,746 --> 00:20:57,098

in control of what I was doing.

 

562

00:20:57,098 --> 00:20:59,323

And then I took a run and

 

563

00:20:59,323 --> 00:21:00,625

there's safety nets around the

 

564

00:21:00,625 --> 00:21:02,137

Heli deck and the supports.

 

565

00:21:02,137 --> 00:21:05,286

I launched myself off as far

 

566

00:21:05,286 --> 00:21:07,595

as I could, and it was only

 

567

00:21:07,595 --> 00:21:08,771

really at that point, I came

 

568

00:21:08,771 --> 00:21:11,627

back to myself and the first

 

569

00:21:11,627 --> 00:21:14,062

thought come into my head was,

 

570

00:21:14,062 --> 00:21:16,539

what the fuck have I done?

 

571

00:21:16,539 --> 00:21:19,437

Because I knew, I knew.

 

572

00:21:19,437 --> 00:21:23,426

And then it was roughly

 

573

00:21:23,426 --> 00:21:25,147

about seven seconds...

 

574

00:21:25,147 --> 00:21:26,575

And that thought comes into

 

575

00:21:26,575 --> 00:21:28,213

your mind when you're kind of

 

576

00:21:28,213 --> 00:21:29,388

midair, you've sort of launched

 

577

00:21:29,388 --> 00:21:30,942

yourself off and you're like,

 

578

00:21:30,942 --> 00:21:35,519

okay, well, what happens now?

 

579

00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:38,878

Yeah and not another thought

 

580

00:21:38,878 --> 00:21:41,313

came into my head because it took

 

581

00:21:41,313 --> 00:21:42,951

about seven seconds to cover the

 

582

00:21:42,951 --> 00:21:47,234

distance, which was 175 feet, to

 

583

00:21:47,234 --> 00:21:50,425

reach the water and not another

 

584

00:21:50,425 --> 00:21:51,811

thought came into my head.

 

585

00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:53,239

And when I hit the water,

 

586

00:21:53,239 --> 00:21:55,632

I knew I'd hit the water.

 

587

00:21:55,632 --> 00:21:59,915

And then the main target was

 

588

00:21:59,915 --> 00:22:02,350

to get back up to the surface.

 

589

00:22:02,350 --> 00:22:04,996

After that, I have no idea how far

 

590

00:22:04,996 --> 00:22:07,977

I went down there, but I managed

 

591

00:22:07,977 --> 00:22:10,497

to get back up to then surface.

 

592

00:22:10,497 --> 00:22:13,310

Jumping from 170 feet,

 

593

00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:14,570

you must have gone a long

 

594

00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:16,795

way down, mustn't you?

 

595

00:22:16,795 --> 00:22:19,524

Once you'd hit the surface, do

 

596

00:22:19,524 --> 00:22:21,036

you, can you remember trying

 

597

00:22:21,036 --> 00:22:22,674

to get back up to the surface?

 

598

00:22:22,674 --> 00:22:23,765

I mean, did you think at that

 

599

00:22:23,765 --> 00:22:25,865

point, OK I've got myself

 

600

00:22:25,865 --> 00:22:27,125

off the platform, but now

 

601

00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:28,972

I'm still a goner because...

 

602

00:22:28,972 --> 00:22:32,667

or just not really, is it

 

603

00:22:32,667 --> 00:22:34,305

just that will to survive

 

604

00:22:34,305 --> 00:22:36,320

that kicks in at that point?

 

605

00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,268

I think it was and all I could...

 

606

00:22:40,268 --> 00:22:42,913

yeah, just my focus was

 

607

00:22:42,913 --> 00:22:44,173

getting back to surface.

 

608

00:22:44,173 --> 00:22:45,264

You could actually see the

 

609

00:22:45,264 --> 00:22:48,078

light above you from the flames.

 

610

00:22:48,078 --> 00:22:48,708

It was...

 

611

00:22:48,708 --> 00:22:51,563

So I remember that, you know,

 

612

00:22:51,563 --> 00:22:56,938

head up that way to the light.

 

613

00:22:56,938 --> 00:22:59,205

I mean, it's difficult to

 

614

00:22:59,205 --> 00:23:01,808

explain how it all happened.

 

615

00:23:01,808 --> 00:23:03,194

I mean, you were saying you

 

616

00:23:03,194 --> 00:23:04,790

remember looking up when you were

 

617

00:23:04,790 --> 00:23:07,183

under the water and the light

 

618

00:23:07,183 --> 00:23:09,073

above you, because essentially

 

619

00:23:09,073 --> 00:23:12,390

the sea is just on fire, isn't it?

 

620

00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:13,902

I mean, coming up, so you've

 

621

00:23:13,902 --> 00:23:15,455

kind of got yourself off the

 

622

00:23:15,455 --> 00:23:16,883

platform over this safety

 

623

00:23:16,883 --> 00:23:18,856

net, you're in the water.

 

624

00:23:18,856 --> 00:23:19,528

You've got, you know, you've

 

625

00:23:19,528 --> 00:23:22,048

gone however far down below the

 

626

00:23:22,048 --> 00:23:23,181

surface, you're kicking your

 

627

00:23:23,181 --> 00:23:24,777

way back up, but actually, the

 

628

00:23:24,777 --> 00:23:26,121

reality is that once you get

 

629

00:23:26,121 --> 00:23:27,968

back up onto the surface, you're

 

630

00:23:27,968 --> 00:23:32,125

going to be surrounded by flames.

 

631

00:23:32,125 --> 00:23:35,946

And what kind of, how

 

632

00:23:35,946 --> 00:23:38,172

did you then survive?

 

633

00:23:38,172 --> 00:23:39,096

It's not over, is it?

 

634

00:23:39,096 --> 00:23:39,767

You've got yourself off the

 

635

00:23:39,767 --> 00:23:40,565

platform, but then you're,

 

636

00:23:40,565 --> 00:23:41,153

you're in the middle of

 

637

00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:44,470

the sea on fire around you.

 

638

00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:46,570

It's fairly true, you're thinking

 

639

00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:49,887

maybe I've got away from the worst

 

640

00:23:49,887 --> 00:23:52,364

of it, but you're still you know...

 

641

00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:54,632

And obviously, I just had

 

642

00:23:54,632 --> 00:23:57,781

tracksuit bottoms on and a

 

643

00:23:57,781 --> 00:24:02,736

polo shirt so you're not...

 

644

00:24:02,736 --> 00:24:04,374

The water's only 5

 

645

00:24:04,374 --> 00:24:05,591

degrees or so, you know?

 

646

00:24:05,591 --> 00:24:08,909

So hypothermia, if you were in

 

647

00:24:08,909 --> 00:24:11,470

the water for any length of time.

 

648

00:24:11,470 --> 00:24:14,283

So at that point, when I go back

 

649

00:24:14,283 --> 00:24:16,929

to the surface, lo  and behold,

 

650

00:24:16,929 --> 00:24:18,566

there was a life jacket floating

 

651

00:24:18,566 --> 00:24:19,952

in the water beside me you know?

 

652

00:24:19,952 --> 00:24:21,757

So I presume it was, must've

 

653

00:24:21,757 --> 00:24:24,781

been the one I'd thrown over.

 

654

00:24:24,781 --> 00:24:25,831

Wow!

 

655

00:24:25,831 --> 00:24:25,998

Yeah.

 

656

00:24:25,998 --> 00:24:29,358

And it was also, that was the

 

657

00:24:29,358 --> 00:24:34,019

north side of the platform.

 

658

00:24:34,019 --> 00:24:35,740

And that's what all the

 

659

00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:38,050

lifeboats were stationed at.

 

660

00:24:38,050 --> 00:24:40,275

But during one of the explosions,

 

661

00:24:40,275 --> 00:24:43,172

a lifeboat must've been blown

 

662

00:24:43,172 --> 00:24:45,062

off the platform, you know,

 

663

00:24:45,062 --> 00:24:46,574

and there was parts of the

 

664

00:24:46,574 --> 00:24:47,833

wreckage of that in the water.

 

665

00:24:47,833 --> 00:24:50,017

So I managed to wedge my hand

 

666

00:24:50,017 --> 00:24:53,586

in between this other, parts of

 

667

00:24:53,586 --> 00:24:55,476

the lifeoat that was floating.

 

668

00:24:55,476 --> 00:24:57,827

And like I say, it was really

 

669

00:24:57,827 --> 00:25:02,572

a lovely summer's day which

 

670

00:25:02,572 --> 00:25:04,335

went in my favour was the

 

671

00:25:04,335 --> 00:25:06,015

water, the sea was running

 

672

00:25:06,015 --> 00:25:08,576

from south to north that night.

 

673

00:25:08,576 --> 00:25:10,424

So there was a light swell,

 

674

00:25:10,424 --> 00:25:12,272

only about  half a metre.

 

675

00:25:12,272 --> 00:25:13,489

And it was, it was

 

676

00:25:13,489 --> 00:25:15,295

drifting to the north.

 

677

00:25:15,295 --> 00:25:16,093

So it was taking me

 

678

00:25:16,093 --> 00:25:17,604

away from the platform.

 

679

00:25:17,604 --> 00:25:19,158

So that was helping as well, you

 

680

00:25:19,158 --> 00:25:21,719

know, so as I started to propel

 

681

00:25:21,719 --> 00:25:24,995

myself, the way the sea was

 

682

00:25:24,995 --> 00:25:27,892

running that night was taking me

 

683

00:25:27,892 --> 00:25:29,403

away from the platform as well.

 

684

00:25:29,403 --> 00:25:30,999

So I managed to get

 

685

00:25:30,999 --> 00:25:31,965

away quite quickly.

 

686

00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:33,854

So, really, if you'd have

 

687

00:25:34,022 --> 00:25:35,618

jumped off another side of

 

688

00:25:35,618 --> 00:25:37,088

the platform, you might've

 

689

00:25:37,088 --> 00:25:38,935

actually been carried back...

 

690

00:25:38,935 --> 00:25:40,027

Onto the platform,

 

691

00:25:40,027 --> 00:25:41,875

that's right, yeah.

 

692

00:25:41,875 --> 00:25:43,260

So you've got yourself into

 

693

00:25:43,260 --> 00:25:45,654

this lifeboat that's been

 

694

00:25:45,654 --> 00:25:46,577

blown off the platform.

 

695

00:25:46,577 --> 00:25:47,291

And then, I mean,

 

696

00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:48,005

how long are you...

 

697

00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:49,055

have you got any sense of how

 

698

00:25:49,055 --> 00:25:50,273

long you were drifting for?

 

699

00:25:50,273 --> 00:25:51,070

How were you then

 

700

00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:52,582

rescued from there?.

 

701

00:25:52,582 --> 00:25:54,136

Yeah, well, it wasn't

 

702

00:25:54,136 --> 00:25:56,361

too, it wasn't too long.

 

703

00:25:56,361 --> 00:25:58,209

Because like I say, I was in the

 

704

00:25:58,209 --> 00:25:59,720

water and I managed to propel

 

705

00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,198

myself away and the actual rest of

 

706

00:26:02,198 --> 00:26:04,507

the, this lifeboat was floating in

 

707

00:26:04,507 --> 00:26:09,882

the sea, maybe 20, 25 yards away.

 

708

00:26:09,882 --> 00:26:11,813

Can you see anyone else in

 

709

00:26:11,813 --> 00:26:12,863

the water at this point?

 

710

00:26:12,863 --> 00:26:14,711

No, but there was a lot of

 

711

00:26:14,711 --> 00:26:20,043

debris in the water so I just

 

712

00:26:20,043 --> 00:26:21,597

disregarded the stuff I had.

 

713

00:26:21,597 --> 00:26:24,788

I swam over to this lifeboat

 

714

00:26:24,788 --> 00:26:26,048

that was floating in the water,

 

715

00:26:26,048 --> 00:26:27,938

managed to pull myself up

 

716

00:26:27,938 --> 00:26:30,163

into the lifeboat and I was

 

717

00:26:30,163 --> 00:26:31,465

looking back at the platform.

 

718

00:26:31,465 --> 00:26:33,186

And I was really trying to take

 

719

00:26:33,186 --> 00:26:34,950

in what I was looking at, you

 

720

00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:37,511

know, and just, I just couldn't

 

721

00:26:37,511 --> 00:26:38,687

believe what was happening.

 

722

00:26:38,687 --> 00:26:40,493

But also at that point, because

 

723

00:26:40,493 --> 00:26:42,970

I had a short-sleeved t-shirt on,

 

724

00:26:42,970 --> 00:26:44,398

I noticed that I had these huge

 

725

00:26:44,398 --> 00:26:46,665

blisters on my arms and I couldn't

 

726

00:26:46,665 --> 00:26:50,528

figure out why that had happened.

 

727

00:26:50,528 --> 00:26:53,678

But just at that time also

 

728

00:26:53,678 --> 00:26:54,853

there was a fast rescue craft

 

729

00:26:54,853 --> 00:26:56,155

because there was quite a few

 

730

00:26:56,155 --> 00:26:58,128

boats and ships in the area

 

731

00:26:58,128 --> 00:27:00,606

that night  from one of the

 

732

00:27:00,606 --> 00:27:02,327

supply boats, they launched

 

733

00:27:02,327 --> 00:27:04,301

a fast rescue craft as well.

 

734

00:27:04,301 --> 00:27:05,225

And that was heading

 

735

00:27:05,225 --> 00:27:06,694

to, it was heading over

 

736

00:27:06,694 --> 00:27:08,920

to the lifeboat anyway.

 

737

00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:15,638

So they managed to get me into,

 

738

00:27:15,638 --> 00:27:17,276

they asked me if there was

 

739

00:27:17,276 --> 00:27:18,536

anybody else in the lifeboat.

 

740

00:27:18,536 --> 00:27:19,627

I said no.

 

741

00:27:19,627 --> 00:27:20,761

And they laid me down inside

 

742

00:27:20,761 --> 00:27:22,105

this fast rescue craft.

 

743

00:27:22,105 --> 00:27:24,960

And kind of, at that

 

744

00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,907

point I knew I was safe.

 

745

00:27:28,907 --> 00:27:30,755

And then my adrenaline

 

746

00:27:30,755 --> 00:27:34,870

was starting to disappear.

 

747

00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:36,507

And that's when my injuries started

 

748

00:27:36,507 --> 00:27:39,153

to take effect on me, you know,

 

749

00:27:39,153 --> 00:27:41,882

and from then, for about the next,

 

750

00:27:41,882 --> 00:27:43,310

I don't know how long it was on

 

751

00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:44,402

there or whatever, I was kind

 

752

00:27:44,402 --> 00:27:45,913

of in and out of consciousness.

 

753

00:27:45,913 --> 00:27:47,383

And I just remember little bits.

 

754

00:27:47,383 --> 00:27:48,936

I remember when they were taking

 

755

00:27:48,936 --> 00:27:51,750

me back to their supply boat, which

 

756

00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:54,269

is a flatbedded boat at the back

 

757

00:27:54,269 --> 00:27:59,476

and getting put into a stretcher

 

758

00:27:59,476 --> 00:28:01,953

and getting winched onto the boat.

 

759

00:28:01,953 --> 00:28:04,389

How much pain?

 

760

00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:06,194

I mean, you were saying, obviously

 

761

00:28:06,194 --> 00:28:07,874

adrenaline is your friend

 

762

00:28:07,874 --> 00:28:08,798

in that situation, isn't it?

 

763

00:28:08,798 --> 00:28:10,309

Because it kind of protects

 

764

00:28:10,309 --> 00:28:12,073

you from feeling that pain.

 

765

00:28:12,073 --> 00:28:14,047

Once that adrenaline had

 

766

00:28:14,047 --> 00:28:15,642

started to dissipate, how

 

767

00:28:15,642 --> 00:28:20,513

much pain were you in?

 

768

00:28:20,513 --> 00:28:21,983

Like I say, I can't really remember

 

769

00:28:21,983 --> 00:28:25,006

too much about it till they got me

 

770

00:28:25,006 --> 00:28:26,895

on, and I think at that point, till

 

771

00:28:26,895 --> 00:28:29,289

they got me onto the Tharos and the

 

772

00:28:29,289 --> 00:28:32,186

hospital medical facilities there.

 

773

00:28:32,186 --> 00:28:34,790

I think I was starting to

 

774

00:28:34,790 --> 00:28:36,175

go into shock at that point.

 

775

00:28:36,175 --> 00:28:40,542

And I just remember one of the

 

776

00:28:40,542 --> 00:28:42,222

medics or doctors just saying,

 

777

00:28:42,222 --> 00:28:44,573

just give him a shot of morphine.

 

778

00:28:44,573 --> 00:28:46,841

And I can remember again in

 

779

00:28:46,841 --> 00:28:48,604

the left side of my bum and I

 

780

00:28:48,604 --> 00:28:50,914

could just feel it spreading,

 

781

00:28:50,914 --> 00:28:52,425

spreading across my body.

 

782

00:28:52,425 --> 00:28:54,147

And I don't know how big, a

 

783

00:28:54,147 --> 00:28:57,758

shot of morphine it was, but

 

784

00:28:57,758 --> 00:28:59,228

once I'd got that, everything

 

785

00:28:59,228 --> 00:29:01,243

just seemed to calm down.

 

786

00:29:01,243 --> 00:29:02,587

And that did the trick.

 

787

00:29:02,587 --> 00:29:04,393

That did the trick for sure.

 

788

00:29:04,393 --> 00:29:07,290

And how long, I mean, what were

 

789

00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:09,012

the extent of your injuries?

 

790

00:29:09,012 --> 00:29:12,623

You talked about these blisters

 

791

00:29:12,623 --> 00:29:15,142

and obviously when you'd left

 

792

00:29:15,142 --> 00:29:15,982

the platform, when you jumped

 

793

00:29:15,982 --> 00:29:19,677

off the platform, you were okay.

 

794

00:29:19,677 --> 00:29:21,357

You were injury free.

 

795

00:29:21,357 --> 00:29:22,616

So what were the extent

 

796

00:29:22,616 --> 00:29:23,834

of your injuries and what

 

797

00:29:23,834 --> 00:29:26,101

had actually happened?

 

798

00:29:26,101 --> 00:29:30,426

Yeah I had a multitude of

 

799

00:29:30,426 --> 00:29:32,274

injuries, I remember getting

 

800

00:29:32,274 --> 00:29:34,961

back to Aberdeen on the

 

801

00:29:34,961 --> 00:29:38,489

helicopter, to the casualty there.

 

802

00:29:38,489 --> 00:29:40,336

And then they took me

 

803

00:29:40,336 --> 00:29:43,779

up to the Burns Ward.

 

804

00:29:43,779 --> 00:29:48,398

And so yeah, it, between

 

805

00:29:48,398 --> 00:29:51,254

the injuries from the fall

 

806

00:29:51,254 --> 00:29:54,781

and injuries from the burns,

 

807

00:29:54,781 --> 00:29:58,308

I was in quite a bad way.

 

808

00:29:58,308 --> 00:29:59,945

Those blisters had come,

 

809

00:29:59,945 --> 00:30:01,961

hadn't they, from when you'd

 

810

00:30:01,961 --> 00:30:05,572

actually, the heat, essentially,

 

811

00:30:05,572 --> 00:30:07,840

that you had jumped through

 

812

00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,351

coming from the flames as

 

813

00:30:09,351 --> 00:30:10,905

you jumped off that platform.

 

814

00:30:10,905 --> 00:30:14,978

What happened was, once we'd has

 

815

00:30:14,978 --> 00:30:17,329

a few weeks in hospital, three,

 

816

00:30:17,329 --> 00:30:20,017

four weeks, and the surgeons came

 

817

00:30:20,017 --> 00:30:21,948

round and we were  having a chat

 

818

00:30:21,948 --> 00:30:24,846

or whatever, and talking about

 

819

00:30:24,846 --> 00:30:27,617

what had happened and they kind

 

820

00:30:27,617 --> 00:30:29,842

of wanted to, because there was no

 

821

00:30:29,842 --> 00:30:31,774

charring of skin, it was blisters

 

822

00:30:31,774 --> 00:30:34,377

I had, I couldn't have  been in

 

823

00:30:34,377 --> 00:30:36,309

any direct contact with flames.

 

824

00:30:36,309 --> 00:30:38,114

And they came and, when I went

 

825

00:30:38,114 --> 00:30:40,550

through my story, they said,

 

826

00:30:40,550 --> 00:30:41,894

well it's probably happened

 

827

00:30:41,894 --> 00:30:44,581

during your fall, and where

 

828

00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:46,680

your bare skin was exposed and

 

829

00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,998

it was just heat radiation.

 

830

00:30:49,998 --> 00:30:52,937

Fortunately enough, like I say,

 

831

00:30:52,937 --> 00:30:55,666

I do believe if it wasn't for

 

832

00:30:55,666 --> 00:30:57,178

our clothes, getting soaked

 

833

00:30:57,178 --> 00:30:58,564

with the water from that water

 

834

00:30:58,564 --> 00:31:00,873

cannon from the Tharos, and I

 

835

00:31:00,873 --> 00:31:04,022

actually had a real good head

 

836

00:31:04,022 --> 00:31:05,240

of hair at the time so my hair

 

837

00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,389

was all soaking wet as well.

 

838

00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:11,245

I do believe that saved me from

 

839

00:31:11,245 --> 00:31:13,008

getting more badly burned at the

 

840

00:31:13,008 --> 00:31:14,352

time, you know, and just that

 

841

00:31:14,352 --> 00:31:16,535

little bit of protection with

 

842

00:31:16,535 --> 00:31:18,929

your clothes being wet and my hair

 

843

00:31:18,929 --> 00:31:21,028

had been wet, but unfortunately

 

844

00:31:21,028 --> 00:31:24,723

I had a short sleeved shirt on

 

845

00:31:24,723 --> 00:31:27,327

that night and that's where...

 

846

00:31:27,327 --> 00:31:29,636

Yeah, because the temperatures

 

847

00:31:29,636 --> 00:31:33,835

are thousands of degrees, hot

 

848

00:31:33,835 --> 00:31:36,733

they were, like, and yeah,

 

849

00:31:36,733 --> 00:31:39,168

that's where the burn injuries

 

850

00:31:39,168 --> 00:31:41,141

came from, and the surgeons

 

851

00:31:41,141 --> 00:31:42,947

told me they were what they

 

852

00:31:42,947 --> 00:31:46,264

described as full thickness burns.

 

853

00:31:46,264 --> 00:31:50,253

So it had taken the skin off

 

854

00:31:50,253 --> 00:31:52,983

right down to my flesh on certain

 

855

00:31:52,983 --> 00:31:54,746

parts of my arms like, you know.

 

856

00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:57,434

Also, which is quite scary when

 

857

00:31:57,434 --> 00:31:58,861

we were seeing the physio coming

 

858

00:31:58,861 --> 00:32:00,247

round, and she'd come round  and...

 

859

00:32:00,247 --> 00:32:05,496

I didn't even believe how much

 

860

00:32:05,496 --> 00:32:08,099

black stuff, she came round

 

861

00:32:08,099 --> 00:32:10,451

to get smoke, the black smoke

 

862

00:32:10,451 --> 00:32:15,153

because what I'd inhaled you know.

 

863

00:32:15,153 --> 00:32:16,623

So when she came round to

 

864

00:32:16,623 --> 00:32:19,184

clear my lungs and I had these

 

865

00:32:19,184 --> 00:32:22,376

chest injuries as well or body

 

866

00:32:22,376 --> 00:32:24,139

injuries, it was really tough.

 

867

00:32:24,139 --> 00:32:27,750

But I couldn't, you know, it's

 

868

00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:29,892

like if you've got a cold and

 

869

00:32:29,892 --> 00:32:32,411

you've got catarrh, you know, and

 

870

00:32:32,411 --> 00:32:35,183

it was harder than that, spitting

 

871

00:32:35,183 --> 00:32:37,114

that back out to clear my lungs

 

872

00:32:37,114 --> 00:32:38,500

and I actually couldn't believe

 

873

00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,649

how much yuck came out, you know?

 

874

00:32:41,649 --> 00:32:45,638

And you were in hospital

 

875

00:32:45,638 --> 00:32:46,982

for a few weeks.

 

876

00:32:46,982 --> 00:32:48,662

How long did it take you

 

877

00:32:48,662 --> 00:32:51,475

for your arms to heal?

 

878

00:32:51,475 --> 00:32:54,456

For you to then be better or,

 

879

00:32:54,456 --> 00:32:56,850

you know, to, to kind of recover?

 

880

00:32:56,850 --> 00:33:00,083

Yeah, just a little over

 

881

00:33:00,083 --> 00:33:01,678

six weeks in the hospital.

 

882

00:33:01,678 --> 00:33:03,022

I was quite fortunate, like I

 

883

00:33:03,022 --> 00:33:04,450

said, I didn't live too far from

 

884

00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:06,465

Aberdeen, so I was kind of going

 

885

00:33:06,465 --> 00:33:11,798

back every day Monday to Friday

 

886

00:33:11,798 --> 00:33:13,226

for a couple of weeks and then

 

887

00:33:13,226 --> 00:33:15,073

it was every other day and such,

 

888

00:33:15,073 --> 00:33:20,868

but yeah, it was probably over

 

889

00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:22,757

a year so I had to get quite a

 

890

00:33:22,757 --> 00:33:25,193

bit of physio on my arms because

 

891

00:33:25,193 --> 00:33:27,166

when you get skin grafts, the

 

892

00:33:27,166 --> 00:33:29,770

skin shrinks and they had to get

 

893

00:33:29,770 --> 00:33:33,339

mobility back in my hands and that.

 

894

00:33:33,339 --> 00:33:36,236

So quite a bit of physiotherapy.

 

895

00:33:36,236 --> 00:33:39,679

It's quite painful and people

 

896

00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:41,359

will know, that have had any kind

 

897

00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,836

of skin graft or anything, it's

 

898

00:33:43,836 --> 00:33:46,608

actually your donor areas that's

 

899

00:33:46,608 --> 00:33:52,570

the most painful parts, you know?

 

900

00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:56,266

But yeah, I was just so lucky.

 

901

00:33:56,266 --> 00:33:58,617

I just felt so lucky to be alive.

 

902

00:33:58,617 --> 00:34:00,255

It just seemed to keep me going

 

903

00:34:00,255 --> 00:34:01,682

and get me through everything

 

904

00:34:01,682 --> 00:34:02,732

that I had to get through.

 

905

00:34:02,732 --> 00:34:04,370

Did you ever go back to work

 

906

00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:05,839

on the oil platforms after?

 

907

00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,695

No that was enough for me.

 

908

00:34:08,695 --> 00:34:11,130

I decided that I wasn't

 

909

00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:13,313

going back again.

 

910

00:34:13,313 --> 00:34:14,489

I'm not surprised.

 

911

00:34:14,489 --> 00:34:17,806

But in terms of actually that full

 

912

00:34:17,806 --> 00:34:19,528

recovery, I mean, do you ever get

 

913

00:34:19,528 --> 00:34:22,005

over being in a disaster like that?

 

914

00:34:22,005 --> 00:34:23,811

I mean, what have been the

 

915

00:34:23,811 --> 00:34:25,869

ongoing, the long-term scars,

 

916

00:34:25,869 --> 00:34:27,422

the long-term impact from

 

917

00:34:27,422 --> 00:34:29,606

being on Piper Alpha that night?

 

918

00:34:29,606 --> 00:34:30,823

Yeah, I consider

 

919

00:34:30,823 --> 00:34:32,503

myself very fortunate.

 

920

00:34:32,503 --> 00:34:38,591

I wasn't that badly affected

 

921

00:34:38,591 --> 00:34:43,966

psychologically-wise.

 

922

00:34:43,966 --> 00:34:44,974

Afterwards  I was just

 

923

00:34:44,974 --> 00:34:49,551

so happy to be alive.

 

924

00:34:49,551 --> 00:34:51,524

I know certainly a lot of

 

925

00:34:51,524 --> 00:34:55,639

people are more severely

 

926

00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:01,896

affected  psychologically and

 

927

00:35:01,896 --> 00:35:03,953

had a very, very bad time.

 

928

00:35:03,953 --> 00:35:07,019

And my mate Billy who survived,

 

929

00:35:07,019 --> 00:35:10,168

he went through a number of years.

 

930

00:35:10,168 --> 00:35:12,226

It was always there in his

 

931

00:35:12,226 --> 00:35:13,947

thoughts, you know, all the time.

 

932

00:35:13,947 --> 00:35:16,383

I was fortunate it never,

 

933

00:35:16,383 --> 00:35:17,054

it's something that

 

934

00:35:17,054 --> 00:35:20,078

obviously will never go away.

 

935

00:35:20,078 --> 00:35:21,883

But I also was  never

 

936

00:35:21,883 --> 00:35:23,983

shy of talking about it.

 

937

00:35:23,983 --> 00:35:26,628

I always thought, well,

 

938

00:35:26,628 --> 00:35:30,029

let's face up to this.

 

939

00:35:30,029 --> 00:35:33,472

And, it's happened, you know,

 

940

00:35:33,472 --> 00:35:38,175

you can't not say it happened or

 

941

00:35:38,175 --> 00:35:41,703

try to ignore that it happened.

 

942

00:35:41,703 --> 00:35:44,558

You were quite young when it

 

943

00:35:44,558 --> 00:35:52,788

happened, how did it change you?

 

944

00:35:52,788 --> 00:35:55,895

A little bit more positively,

 

945

00:35:55,895 --> 00:35:58,960

you know, to grasp this

 

946

00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,388

second chance you know.

 

947

00:36:00,388 --> 00:36:04,125

I know my first Christmas in 88 was

 

948

00:36:04,125 --> 00:36:09,038

really bad and Christmas Day, I had

 

949

00:36:09,038 --> 00:36:10,886

my own flat in Stonehaven at the

 

950

00:36:10,886 --> 00:36:15,840

time and the morning of Christmas

 

951

00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,948

Day, I just sat in my settee and

 

952

00:36:18,948 --> 00:36:20,795

just cried, because all I could

 

953

00:36:20,795 --> 00:36:24,322

think about was the families, and

 

954

00:36:24,322 --> 00:36:25,666

mostly the kids that wouldn't have

 

955

00:36:25,708 --> 00:36:28,395

their fathers that day, you know.

 

956

00:36:28,395 --> 00:36:29,487

And like, mums and dads that

 

957

00:36:29,487 --> 00:36:32,762

couldn't have their sons that day,

 

958

00:36:32,762 --> 00:36:35,198

but then I kind of had to think

 

959

00:36:35,198 --> 00:36:37,885

to myself, well, I cannae, cannae

 

960

00:36:37,885 --> 00:36:39,859

carry on like that and, you know.

 

961

00:36:39,859 --> 00:36:40,195

It was a...

 

962

00:36:40,195 --> 00:36:41,538

and I said well...

 

963

00:36:41,538 --> 00:36:43,134

which was quite simplistic, I

 

964

00:36:43,134 --> 00:36:45,821

just said to myself, well, if I

 

965

00:36:45,821 --> 00:36:48,383

hadn't survived, and some of the

 

966

00:36:48,383 --> 00:36:50,650

other guys, you know, that never

 

967

00:36:50,650 --> 00:36:52,960

survived DID survive, I would

 

968

00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,789

want them to make the full benefit

 

969

00:36:57,789 --> 00:37:00,560

of being a survivor and live

 

970

00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,297

their life as full as they could.

 

971

00:37:04,297 --> 00:37:07,782

And that was kind of my attitude

 

972

00:37:07,782 --> 00:37:10,637

and that's how I  progressed with

 

973

00:37:10,637 --> 00:37:13,367

it, you know, and I carried on

 

974

00:37:13,367 --> 00:37:15,046

from there, you know, but never,

 

975

00:37:15,046 --> 00:37:17,020

it'll never go away obviously

 

976

00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:18,364

till the day I die, you know?

 

977

00:37:18,364 --> 00:37:20,211

Yeah.

 

978

00:37:20,211 --> 00:37:24,746

I do do talks and, you know, and

 

979

00:37:24,746 --> 00:37:28,735

if Process Safety people, you

 

980

00:37:28,735 --> 00:37:30,919

know, want to hear my story, it's

 

981

00:37:30,919 --> 00:37:34,194

worked quite well, up till now.

 

982

00:37:34,194 --> 00:37:35,286

I've only been doing it about

 

983

00:37:35,286 --> 00:37:38,351

3 years, but, I do get a great

 

984

00:37:38,351 --> 00:37:40,157

deal of good feedback for that.

 

985

00:37:40,157 --> 00:37:42,004

And it's quite rewarding.

 

986

00:37:42,004 --> 00:37:43,810

And what has life been like for

 

987

00:37:43,810 --> 00:37:46,707

you since the Piper Alpha disaster?

 

988

00:37:46,707 --> 00:37:47,757

You know, what...

 

989

00:37:47,757 --> 00:37:50,024

you say you sat that

 

990

00:37:50,024 --> 00:37:51,578

Christmas Day and sort of

 

991

00:37:51,578 --> 00:37:52,334

thought, do you know what?

 

992

00:37:52,334 --> 00:37:54,769

Actually, I need to live

 

993

00:37:54,769 --> 00:37:55,735

my life for all of those

 

994

00:37:55,735 --> 00:37:58,422

who can't, who won't.

 

995

00:37:58,422 --> 00:37:59,766

What adventures have you been

 

996

00:37:59,766 --> 00:38:00,690

on and what kind of things

 

997

00:38:00,690 --> 00:38:01,613

would have been the highlights

 

998

00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:03,293

for you, of your last 30 years?

 

999

00:38:03,293 --> 00:38:05,225

Highlights, yeah, I mean, I

 

1000

00:38:05,225 --> 00:38:07,282

went to Australia and actually

 

1001

00:38:07,282 --> 00:38:08,374

my sister and her friend went

 

1002

00:38:08,374 --> 00:38:09,382

at the same time, they went

 

1003

00:38:09,382 --> 00:38:11,943

for a couple of years actually,

 

1004

00:38:11,943 --> 00:38:16,016

you know, a working holiday.

 

1005

00:38:16,016 --> 00:38:17,234

I met up with them.

 

1006

00:38:17,234 --> 00:38:19,459

I met up with a lot of great

 

1007

00:38:19,459 --> 00:38:21,517

relatives I never knew I

 

1008

00:38:21,517 --> 00:38:23,238

had in Australia, and I

 

1009

00:38:23,238 --> 00:38:26,388

also had family in Zimbabwe.

 

1010

00:38:26,388 --> 00:38:29,663

So I went to see them as well.

 

1011

00:38:29,663 --> 00:38:32,518

I went to Southern Africa as

 

1012

00:38:32,518 --> 00:38:34,324

well, South Africa, which I

 

1013

00:38:34,324 --> 00:38:35,667

thought was an absolute beautiful

 

1014

00:38:35,667 --> 00:38:36,717

country and I probably would

 

1015

00:38:36,717 --> 00:38:38,397

never have been able to do these

 

1016

00:38:38,397 --> 00:38:43,016

things, you know, I obviously got

 

1017

00:38:43,016 --> 00:38:45,451

compensated, personal compensation

 

1018

00:38:45,451 --> 00:38:48,768

for what I went through.

 

1019

00:38:48,768 --> 00:38:50,784

And I probably would never have

 

1020

00:38:50,784 --> 00:38:52,589

been able to do a lot of the things

 

1021

00:38:52,589 --> 00:38:55,907

if I hadn't got that money from

 

1022

00:38:55,907 --> 00:38:58,888

my own personal compensation.

 

1023

00:38:58,888 --> 00:39:00,190

Yeah, it was fantastic.

 

1024

00:39:00,190 --> 00:39:03,885

Done a few safaris and white

 

1025

00:39:03,885 --> 00:39:07,748

water rafting down the Zambezi.

 

1026

00:39:07,748 --> 00:39:12,283

Also went to a world title boxing

 

1027

00:39:12,283 --> 00:39:14,928

match in Las Vegas in 1989, I

 

1028

00:39:14,928 --> 00:39:19,001

just went myself and obviously

 

1029

00:39:19,001 --> 00:39:20,345

there was no internet in them

 

1030

00:39:20,345 --> 00:39:21,856

days, and I didn't know how to

 

1031

00:39:21,856 --> 00:39:26,307

go about trying to get a ticket.

 

1032

00:39:26,307 --> 00:39:27,483

So what I done was I wrote

 

1033

00:39:27,483 --> 00:39:29,541

a letter to the manager at a

 

1034

00:39:29,541 --> 00:39:32,732

Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas.

 

1035

00:39:32,732 --> 00:39:33,614

I knew that's where the

 

1036

00:39:33,614 --> 00:39:35,461

fight was going to be.

 

1037

00:39:35,461 --> 00:39:36,007

And I got a great letter

 

1038

00:39:36,007 --> 00:39:38,401

back, it was like a scroll!

 

1039

00:39:38,401 --> 00:39:40,458

Because it's like, Rome and

 

1040

00:39:40,458 --> 00:39:42,138

Caesar's Palace and that.

 

1041

00:39:42,138 --> 00:39:43,397

And then, yeah.

 

1042

00:39:43,397 --> 00:39:44,489

And he just gave me the a

 

1043

00:39:44,489 --> 00:39:45,329

phone number and I phoned them

 

1044

00:39:45,329 --> 00:39:47,596

up and I got a ticket for it!

 

1045

00:39:47,596 --> 00:39:48,646

Fantastic!

 

1046

00:39:48,646 --> 00:39:50,116

Love it, so just ticking off some

 

1047

00:39:50,116 --> 00:39:51,501

of the crazy things from the bucket

 

1048

00:39:51,501 --> 00:39:54,399

list just to live life to the full.

 

1049

00:39:54,399 --> 00:39:56,582

Yeah, absolutely and, yeah.

 

1050

00:39:56,582 --> 00:39:58,346

Very fortunate.

 

1051

00:39:58,346 --> 00:39:59,606

I can do that.

 

1052

00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:01,831

So in between some of the

 

1053

00:40:01,831 --> 00:40:03,595

business ventures that you've

 

1054

00:40:03,595 --> 00:40:06,786

done along the way and the

 

1055

00:40:06,786 --> 00:40:09,515

adventures of all of your travels,

 

1056

00:40:09,515 --> 00:40:11,321

what's left on the bucket list?

 

1057

00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:12,790

What's the thing that you'd

 

1058

00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:14,974

like to do next, when the

 

1059

00:40:14,974 --> 00:40:17,283

world opens up fully again

 

1060

00:40:17,283 --> 00:40:20,894

and we get back to normal?

 

1061

00:40:20,894 --> 00:40:24,464

Well, I would like to go...

 

1062

00:40:24,464 --> 00:40:26,101

I've been in New York before, but

 

1063

00:40:26,101 --> 00:40:27,403

that was before the Twin Towers

 

1064

00:40:27,403 --> 00:40:30,048

and I'd really like to go  because

 

1065

00:40:30,048 --> 00:40:32,148

I've seen a couple of podcasts

 

1066

00:40:32,148 --> 00:40:34,709

with survivors of the Twin Towers

 

1067

00:40:34,709 --> 00:40:39,076

and that, and the fire station.

 

1068

00:40:39,076 --> 00:40:40,798

It's down in lower Manhattan

 

1069

00:40:40,798 --> 00:40:42,519

and they've got a memorial

 

1070

00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:47,264

Twin Towers area there.

 

1071

00:40:47,264 --> 00:40:49,868

I'd like to go and see

 

1072

00:40:49,868 --> 00:40:51,085

that like, you know.

 

1073

00:40:51,085 --> 00:40:55,158

Do you feel some kind of

 

1074

00:40:55,158 --> 00:40:58,308

affiliation, if that's the

 

1075

00:40:58,308 --> 00:41:00,491

right word with people who

 

1076

00:41:00,491 --> 00:41:02,171

have experienced and survived

 

1077

00:41:02,171 --> 00:41:04,018

or not survived, these major

 

1078

00:41:04,018 --> 00:41:06,244

disasters, major world events?

 

1079

00:41:06,244 --> 00:41:06,580

Yeah.

 

1080

00:41:06,580 --> 00:41:07,671

I think, yeah.

 

1081

00:41:07,671 --> 00:41:08,763

There's some of the stories

 

1082

00:41:08,763 --> 00:41:10,233

I've seen being told and you

 

1083

00:41:10,233 --> 00:41:11,786

think I know what they're

 

1084

00:41:11,786 --> 00:41:14,054

speaking about there.

 

1085

00:41:14,054 --> 00:41:15,650

Not everything, you know,

 

1086

00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:17,917

because even on Piper, you know,

 

1087

00:41:17,917 --> 00:41:21,276

61 survivors, we've all got a

 

1088

00:41:21,276 --> 00:41:23,292

different kind of story to tell,

 

1089

00:41:23,292 --> 00:41:28,079

but there's a certain, commonality,

 

1090

00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,690

things that are similar

 

1091

00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:34,587

But everybody's got a slightly different story.

 

1092

00:41:34,587 --> 00:41:38,072

When I've seen things, and I'm sure if I spoke to

 

1093

00:41:38,072 --> 00:41:40,466

know, that had survived, you

 

1094

00:41:40,466 --> 00:41:43,027

know, or was even involved in

 

1095

00:41:43,027 --> 00:41:45,211

some of these, you know, other

 

1096

00:41:45,211 --> 00:41:46,722

disasters that have happened,

 

1097

00:41:46,722 --> 00:41:48,948

there would be some kind of common

 

1098

00:41:48,948 --> 00:41:52,517

ground that we'd be able to...

 

1099

00:41:52,517 --> 00:41:54,154

you know without even maybe

 

1100

00:41:54,154 --> 00:41:55,246

even saying something,

 

1101

00:41:55,246 --> 00:41:56,884

you see yeah, I know what

 

1102

00:41:56,884 --> 00:41:58,479

you're speaking about there.

 

1103

00:41:58,479 --> 00:42:00,117

Yeah, absolutely.

 

1104

00:42:00,117 --> 00:42:02,216

Well, Joe, thank you so much for

 

1105

00:42:02,216 --> 00:42:04,484

sharing your story with me today.

 

1106

00:42:04,484 --> 00:42:05,870

And I hope you get to do many

 

1107

00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:08,095

more things on the bucket list

 

1108

00:42:08,095 --> 00:42:10,614

and and thank you for sharing

 

1109

00:42:10,614 --> 00:42:11,958

your story and, showing us

 

1110

00:42:11,958 --> 00:42:12,840

that What Doesn't Kill Us

 

1111

00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,478

really does make us stronger.

 

1112

00:42:14,478 --> 00:42:15,023

You're welcome.

 

1113

00:42:18,047 --> 00:42:20,230

And if you're interested in Joe

 

1114

00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:22,288

talking to your business, or in

 

1115

00:42:22,288 --> 00:42:23,841

hearing more of his story, then you

 

1116

00:42:23,841 --> 00:42:26,865

can connect with him on LinkedIn.

 

1117

00:42:26,865 --> 00:42:28,502

Now, the podcast was recognised

 

1118

00:42:28,544 --> 00:42:30,938

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1119

00:42:30,938 --> 00:42:33,247

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1120

00:42:33,247 --> 00:42:36,018

excellence in digital communications.

 

1121

00:42:36,018 --> 00:42:37,866

So a huge thank you to all the

 

1122

00:42:37,866 --> 00:42:40,847

guests who have appeared so far.

 

1123

00:42:40,847 --> 00:42:42,947

It means so much to have my

 

1124

00:42:42,947 --> 00:42:44,584

work honoured in this way.

 

1125

00:42:44,626 --> 00:42:46,054

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1126

00:42:46,054 --> 00:42:47,524

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1127

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1128

00:42:49,329 --> 00:42:52,647

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1129

00:42:52,647 --> 00:42:55,124

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1130

00:42:55,124 --> 00:42:57,139

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1131

00:42:57,139 --> 00:42:58,483

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1132

00:42:58,483 --> 00:43:01,380

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1133

00:43:01,380 --> 00:43:03,270

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1134

00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:04,782

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1135

00:43:04,824 --> 00:43:07,469

you'll help really does matter.

 

1136

00:43:07,469 --> 00:43:07,931

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